Well, I gave it a good go but had to hang my 5 year old vbulletin head in shame in the end. I went for the upgrade from VW3 to 4 on VB 4.1.2 and it was all going really well until it didn't. Not VW's fault - VBSEO is the culprit I suspect or it is perhaps me after all. I don't know but anyway, the paid install... Chaps (the owners of Vaultwiki), it would be unfair of me to expect you to know what is lurking in the inner workings of my vb installation before you start but I just wanted to know what the scope of the paid install is. Does it mean "VW working" or "VW in place, ready to work - forum owner needs to fix a couple of things". I'd be happy either way.