Confused about images

[Webbstre]

I'm a little confused about how images, attachments, and the Image namespace works. I was hoping that by uploading images via the wiki-related [image] tag button would automatically create a space for that image in the Image namespace, but that doesn't look to be the case. However, if I try to make a new page in the Image namespace the same button refuses to do anything other than make tags, and won't even open the uploader.

So, I think I am missing something here. How are we supposed to handle images within the wiki so that we can upload them and have anyone use them?

[pegasus]

Currently, you have to use the Upload New File link. When creating the post for the image, use Manage Attachments to add it.

Only then will using the tag button work correctly. I will have a look at the attachment manager again to see if there is a simpler way of implementing this. When vB4 first came out, this was the best that was possible with the plugin locations it had available.

[Webbstre]

Thanks for the response. My main wiki-helper commented something along these lines:

To be honest the design they went for is a little flawed IMO

-Goto Image Namespace
-Post new article
-Title the article so its the same as the filename
-Meet the 10 character limit
-Add Attachment, the Image
-Place the Image Inline so people know what it is went they are looking through the ImageNamespace.
-Use [IMAGE] tags to use uploaded image.

I hope somebody makes a mod for VaultWiki so it'll be more like Mediawiki's method
-Goto Upload page
-Upload
-Copy first part of title
-Paste into text with [[ ]]

IIRC the Manage Attachment button was there before :|

Is anything like that possible? Personally I would like to see a way for a checkbox to be added that says "Create Image Namespace Page" whenever you upload an image file in the attachment manager. It would save a lot of confusion on everyone's part.

[pegasus]

You don't have to place the image inline in the image namespace. VaultWiki does this automatically. You just have to upload it in the Image namespace. Unfortunately vBulletin has a mechanism where attachments that aren't associated with a thread are automatically deleted within about an hour, AND a new thread and the attachment are actually not created at the same time using vBulletin's form (the attachment is created first).

I agree that in vBulletin 4 it should now be possible to bypass the "Post New Article" part of the process with some more coding, but up until 4 months ago the image capability was actually an addon that we have added to the main product in time for the gold release. As a result, the workflow isn't yet perfect, but it's usable. We'll be revisiting this aspect in a future release because there are still higher priority bugs, performance tweaks, and general code rewrites that also need to be done.

Regarding meeting the 10 character limit, every site can set their own minimum character requirement for forum content. This makes the process very difficult to automate when it's a high number (because we need to create a long enough dummy post), and one reason why we haven't yet implemented a fully automated system.

[Webbstre]

Thanks for the response. I'll have my fingers crossed for an easier method of image uploading in the future. You can take care of the bugs and such first

[Webbstre]

Ok, I think I found the main problem, and it may be a bug: Whenever you try to create or edit a page in the Image namespace, or start a page via the "Upload a File" link the Attachment Options below the editor disappear, and the Image button made by VaultWiki stops launching the Attachment Manager. In other words, it is impossible to upload an image within the Image Namespace right now. I checked all the permissions and options in VaultWiki, the Image Forum, and the usergroups and found nothing wrong.

[pegasus]

It sounds like you are having problems with Javascript on your page. You should have a look at Firefox's Javascript Error Console to see what's causing it. Using default VaultWiki on this site I'm not having problems, so it's probably another script you're using.

[Webbstre]

Just checked the console, but no Javascript errors. I do have a lot of warnings about CSS, but that's it.

[pegasus]

This can also occur if the Forum Setting "Forum is Open" is set to No. Make sure this is set to Yes.

[Webbstre]

Nope, Forum is Set to Open has been on Yes the whole time. You can take a look at it if you want, your access info I gave you before hasn't changed.

[pegasus]

At least on your test forum, all the permissions for VaultWiki are set to No for admins...

Also, apparently you need to not have your edits moderated in order to change attachments (right now the un-moderated permission is off).

[Webbstre]

Looks like the moderation thing was the culprit. The admin permissions only affected your user, because all the main permissions we were via other secondary usergroups. Will fix that on the live site.

Thanks again for all the help! I never knew it could be so complicated to have file uploads enabled