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    1. Welcome to VaultWiki.org, home of the wiki add-on for vBulletin and XenForo!

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    1. December 2, 2011 #31
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      Now that you mention it, I remember that about a year ago I started a blog series about "what's new in VaultWiki 4", but I guess I forgot about it. I can agree that probably didn't inspire confidence. Well, right now I'm testing migrating a bunch of dummy data. When I'm done with that I can get back to the blogs, before rolling the changes out here.
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    2. December 2, 2011 #32
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      Yes, this would be great. Also, we could find out about new features and how they work, what to expect...
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    3. December 2, 2011 #33
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      Great news.
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    4. December 10, 2011 #34
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      Will the front page have a better layout?
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    5. December 10, 2011 #35
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      Quote Originally Posted by we_are_borg View Post
      If it continues like this i will be better off using a other solution its been weeks for good solid updates and if they say dates it does not mean anything at all because it seems that every time something happens. Going to see if using a normal wiki is possible almost waiting a year on VaultWiki4 now and still nothing to show for.

      Some things are worth waiting for but go with what you like.
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    6. December 11, 2011 #36
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      Quote Originally Posted by ZakRhyno View Post
      Some things are worth waiting for but go with what you like.
      Some things are worth waiting for i agree, but we are no waiting almost a year and still nothing to show for it. Take in account what Pegasus said:

      Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
      Now that you mention it, I remember that about a year ago I started a blog series about "what's new in VaultWiki 4", but I guess I forgot about it. I can agree that probably didn't inspire confidence. Well, right now I'm testing migrating a bunch of dummy data. When I'm done with that I can get back to the blogs, before rolling the changes out here.
      It started very good but stuff slipped and its still not happening at this time. Also there dates in the tracker but its not set so we can see when something is done. Where waiting for the beta release of VW for almost 9 months but still nothing has been released. In the mean time i am on hold i do not want to use the old framework because i want to run under IPB or XF, so i am dead in the water. After the beta release it will take time before its going to be RC quality and then gold so take that in account and it will second season next year before we see anything remotely as gold.

      p.s. If you look at Cracked Egg Studios, LLC. its almost dead nothing seems to be happening there.
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    7. December 14, 2011 #37
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      vaultwiki 4 - wouldn't that be sweet !
      I'm sure it's hard making a major addon to the monster that is vB4.
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    8. January 1, 2012 #38
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      I agree VW is the best solution for VB, but I have stopped recommending VW to our school district because of VW 4's date slipping. Granted half the fault is with VB, still, more than a year waiting for VW 4 is a very LONG TIME in computer's time.
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    9. January 2, 2012 #39
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      Can we please have an update?

      I still think that VW should be priced higher, as well as the BFO should. There should be paid addons to VW as well.
      You should be able to pay 1-2 full time devs from the income. This should especially be possible considering that VW is going to open up to XF and IPB. Customers are waiting and unlike with vbulletin; your product can be advertised on both marketplaces.

      More and more people are moving away from vbulletin towards IPB and XF. This must have had a significant impact on VW sales. Both platform have a large demand for a native wiki. This demand will be filled by someone else if VW does not arrive within a reasonable time frame. Initiatives like XenCarta are developing on XF.
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    10. January 3, 2012 #40
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      Hi,

      Like most people, we did close down for the recent holidays.

      We have completed our first pass testing the upgrade process to VaultWiki 4. We have seen that most data has been migrated and is translated correctly to the new database format. However, the process was very unstable.

      There were some issues with some data that needs to be addressed - hence we are now on pass #2, where we will look more closely at specific data and how it interacts during the upgrade process.

      The most notable issue we encountered was that articles were imported, but without any URL information, which had a similar end result to the "There is no text in this page" error some users are already familiar with. A number of the changes in VaultWiki 4 were designed to eliminate that error, but this was more related to data not being analyzed correctly than with synchronization between tables.

      We also noted that there was data loss where we ignored some features like polls. While polls are intended to be a supported feature again in a later Alpha build, they were not prioritized in Alpha 1, and were not imported in Alpha 1. This could potentially be an issue if someone upgraded and deleted their old data, unaware that some wouldn't be imported until a later version. So we had to go back and add import scripts for data we won't be using right away, but don't want to lose.

      I should also mention that we did remove a VaultWiki 3 feature for now - the ability to translate custom area (i.e. forum) paths. The routing system we have implemented only allows for 1 route per node, regardless of language. For most nodes, translations are separate nodes (think an article in English, and its translation in German), but this is not true of the Area node-type. We have also removed the ability to make multiple translations of special page URLs for the nearly the same reason. It should still be possible to translate the special page itself and its title. Of course you can always create redirects to these types that have the desired URL translation.

      Speaking of routing, we do need to look at it a little more before launching VaultWiki 4. Because of the 1 route per node design, existing URLs and slight URL variations that used to work may not work any more. To prevent loss of SEO following the upgrade, we do need to add some leniency for unmatched URLs before considering them 404.

      We are currently in the process of combining a feature from VaultWiki 3 that's redundant with a new one. Forum headers are used by some, but we will soon be adding a way to push more than just header-pages to other parts of your site. Thus, we are removing header functionality as it currently exists. The new Content Integration Manager will be much more powerful (use full articles as headers, or other wiki components).

      Alfa1, yes prices are low, and we will be increasing prices across the board, but only AFTER VaultWiki 4 is released. And yes, we plan to re-evaluate the size of the development team this year as well.
      - lead developer for VaultWiki
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    11. January 5, 2012 #41
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      Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
      Alfa1, yes prices are low, and we will be increasing prices across the board, but only AFTER VaultWiki 4 is released. And yes, we plan to re-evaluate the size of the development team this year as well.
      The prices vbulletin sold and sells addons for: > $199
      vbSEO $149
      Photopost $129
      vbcover >$219
      cometchat > $499
      Dragonbyte tech >$109
      AWC pirate poker $100
      IPS official addons cost >$75
      Vaultwiki $70

      And to top it off:
      Searchlight for vbulletin $999 - $1.600
      Kayako fusion $999 - 18.000
      123Flashchat $199 - $7.500

      With such prices its possible to pay for developers.
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    12. January 8, 2012 #42
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      Currently in upgrade-test pass 3, here's what we're working on now:

      Fixed some inheritance issues between page URLs and the URLs of their parent nodes. Uncustomized URLs should inherit the paths of higher level nodes - rather than the default /wiki/Page, it should be /wiki_path_to/Page (e.g. /custom_area_path/sub_area/Page)

      Also on this pass I noticed that attachments are being updated and saved to the database, rather than staying in the filesystem if they were in the filesystem before. Fixing this requires adding an extra step to the upgrade that prompts admins to create a wiki-attachments folder before continuing. If they don't create one, database storage will be used.
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      Quote Originally Posted by pegasus View Post
      We are currently in the process of combining a feature from VaultWiki 3 that's redundant with a new one. Forum headers are used by some, but we will soon be adding a way to push more than just header-pages to other parts of your site. Thus, we are removing header functionality as it currently exists. The new Content Integration Manager will be much more powerful (use full articles as headers, or other wiki components).
      I'm using headers and found them very useful and I'll like to have thread headers. I hope I wouldn't lost them, only have more options and control over header content and possibility to have them in more places (maybe even in profiles).

      Anyway, I hope you'll keep headers functionality in some form or other, but as it is now it's excellent and very useful.

      And yes, I certainly hope that I wouldn't loose information already in headers?
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    14. January 9, 2012 #44
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      Your existing headers will be kept, but they will be managed through a content integration manager. Headers aren't a separate page-type any more; you can add any page in the header position.

      The changes also make it possible to add headers to other places. However, since the header position needs to be coded for each location, you will be seeing some locations before others.

      From a technical point of view, for thread-headers to work in general:
      1. You first would need to add a node-type for the location you want, so you would probably need a "Thread" node-type.
      2. When someone is reading the thread, you would need a plugin that checks for content-integration for the "Thread" node-type with the current thread ID.
      3. Cycle through any results that have position "header", and fetch the items they reference.
      4. If the user has permission to view the items, render them as blocks, and place them at the appropriate position in the thread output.
      5. To make changes to the headers or create new ones, you need to add controls to modify wiki content in the thread output. You probably want to give this permission to whoever has ownership of the thread-node (the thread creator).
      6. In this example, once this is in place, you should be able to add wiki content to any non-wiki page that has node-type "Thread".
      - lead developer for VaultWiki
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      Quote Originally Posted by Alfa1 View Post
      Can we please have an update?

      I still think that VW should be priced higher, as well as the BFO should. There should be paid addons to VW as well.
      You should be able to pay 1-2 full time devs from the income. This should especially be possible considering that VW is going to open up to XF and IPB. Customers are waiting and unlike with vbulletin; your product can be advertised on both marketplaces.

      More and more people are moving away from vbulletin towards IPB and XF. This must have had a significant impact on VW sales. Both platform have a large demand for a native wiki. This demand will be filled by someone else if VW does not arrive within a reasonable time frame. Initiatives like XenCarta are developing on XF.


      The prices vbulletin sold and sells addons for: > $199
      vbSEO $149
      Photopost $129
      vbcover >$219
      cometchat > $499
      Dragonbyte tech >$109
      AWC pirate poker $100
      IPS official addons cost >$75
      Vaultwiki $70

      And to top it off:
      Searchlight for vbulletin $999 - $1.600
      Kayako fusion $999 - 18.000
      123Flashchat $199 - $7.500

      With such prices its possible to pay for developers.
      I totally agree the price for VaultWiki should be higher to reflect its features. Too cheap of a price plus a somewhat stiff learning curve for VW3 is not a good combination.

      Perhaps a (low price) lite version with limited features and a (full price) pro version?
      Last edited by stev; January 16, 2012 at 12:47 PM.
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