how much will be the increase of the product ?
Because i tought this will be come with the status gold of vaultwiki 4 ... normaly from alpha1 to gold is a very long way
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how much will be the increase of the product ?
Because i tought this will be come with the status gold of vaultwiki 4 ... normaly from alpha1 to gold is a very long way
I know the wait has been long, but the vB4 version is out. If people are still unable to download it, let me know. It's supposed to be available since a week ago already. The XenForo version is coming shortly too. For those that don't believe me (and I completely understand), please refer to this blurry screenshot...
Aside from XenForo's Quick Reply being a bit snazzier IMHO, expect the XenForo release to look roughly the same as the vB one, just wrapped in XenForo's style and saved in its database.
lol! Blurry indeed. Looks like pic of a white rabbit running in the fog to me.
there are so many platforms that are waiting for this, I'm rather excited.
3.8 first, and then my smaller xF platforms.
Hello Pegasus,
I have at the moment VBulletin 4.1.10 running on my site - this should work with vaultwiki 4.x without issue?
With the current release of this vaultwiki 4 what is now available for public is similar to that one which is running here on the site?
As well is it possible to do an upgrade from Vaultwiki 3 Lite to Vaultwiki 4 ? I have there some pages created and I do not want to delete everything
Last question - is there also an sitemap addon available now for this Vaultwiki 4 release?
For general - it make sense to use Vaultwiki 4 on a live page (no testing) for productive use without problem or its recommended to use vaultwiki 3 and wait for wiki4 RC oder gold?
Thank you & waiting for your soonest reply.
Hi, yes vBulletin 4.1.10 SHOULD work with VaultWiki 4. Yes, the current release for the public is nearly the same as what's running here. However, our site runs directly off the latest file revisions in our proprietary SVN (a nightmare when we have to set paths for new software), so this puts us a few builds ahead.
If you don't want to delete everything, I would recommend upgrading VaultWiki 3 Lite to VaultWiki 3.0.20 first, then upgrading that to VaultWiki 4. A test upgrade directly from Lite to 4 has not been done yet, and I'd hate for you to run into problems halfway between versions. Still, backup before upgrading, and follow all the other instructions for a 3 -> 4 upgrade that are listed in my blog.
If you use vBulletin 4's built-in sitemap, then it will work with VaultWiki 4 already. If you use the vBSEO sitemap, then also install this add-on: https://www.vaultwiki.org/threads/5498/
While VaultWiki 4 is in Alpha, it seems good enough for normal productive use at this time (or we wouldn't have released it). It has been in Alpha testing for over 9 months now, is much more stable and more usable than it was in the beginning. We hope that early adopters will help us find the remaining issues so we can call it a gold release soon. We are very responsive to new bug reports and will try to get them resolved as they are brought to us.
For new users we would recommend VaultWiki 4. It's easier to understand, and it will mean less learning for you and your users in a short time than if you upgraded again in that time.
Hope this helps.
hello,
that helps good - there is now nearly everything clarified.
I have one additional question - yesterday i have done update with VB to 4.2.0 PL3 - nearly everthing is perfect - but some scripts have problems - also the Vaultwiki - the page is not loading anymore as well i get an error with page not found, a white blank page or something else.
and to test vaultwiki 4 - its not possible to download the file -> the file is currently not available for download
Thanks for letting me know. The path was set wrong in Members area for the non-admin download. I fixed the paths and it is working now.
thanks that works now but directly after trying to start installer -> fatal error
i have written you a PM and set something in the bug tracker
Wrong build was in the Members area apparently (it was the one we used that gave us all the problems during our upgrade). I just changed the build to a more current one.
hey pegasus,
when there will be a new update with the VW4 product with new bug fixes and more?!
Because last one was 1 month ago now - hopefully soon, because for me as german member i have still a lot of issues with "Ä, Ö, ..." specially in URLS its a big issue and the the lot of "�" is all over the wiki pages is annoying (!)
It's time to upgrade a vWiki 3 to vVwiki 4 on a vB 4.20pl3 install?
I understand that the instructions are on https://www.vaultwiki.org/blogs/56/
My installation uses only one character set and it's not UTF-8, last try to change to UTF-8 was unsuccessful. Perhaps some day I'll try to change all to UTF-8, but now it's not the moment.
I use external images, so I'll be careful with this issue.
Do a test run on a test database first. If the results are good, go ahead.
VaultWiki 4 core is pretty much stable now. I think the coming RC 4 will be the final RC before the gold release.
While there are still a few minor or unfinished features for the current 4.0, at this time, we've started looking forward to 4.1. One of the new things we're looking into for 4.1 (or a fork that would merge at 4.1), is IP.Board/Invision Power Suite support. You guys lost the original poll in this thread, but we're very excited about the imminent IPS 4 and expanding VaultWiki to support that.
Because everything on our end would have to ramp up in order to release as close to IPS 4 as possible, we've started planning a fundraiser to make this transition smoothly and to start generating/rekindling interest:
http://prefundia.com/projects/view/v...ces-ips4/2933/
Once we get all the details worked out, we'll be launching the actual Kickstarter.
We want to make this proposed integration a success, so we welcome all your ideas, support, and any help you can give us in spreading the word. Thanks!
How long you think will it take to get vw4 Ready for ips?
I will not purchase my ips Update before vw4 ;))
Once the campaign launches, we're looking at a timeframe of roughly 2 months to delivery for a public beta on IPS. That number is based on our actual time-to-delivery for XenForo once it was the major development focus in 2013.
You might find it interesting to know that vbulletin developer Paul M. stated earlier this week that vbulletin management has no real interest in further developing vbulletin 3 or 4 and that there barely is anyone working on vb5. Focus is on vbulletin cloud.
What this means is that the current trend of vbulletin to xenforo conversions is likely going to increase. its still the case that 70% of all conversions away from vbulletin is to xenforo. If we assume that vbulletin had 100k licenses sold (as they claimed), then they now have 79k licenses. The rest has mainly moved to XF already.
For the near future it is likely that 70% or more of people will still choose XenForo over IPS, because IPS4 is in a very basic state. Reminds me of VW4 alpha or gamma1. IPS clearly states that they are happy with the rewrite but the main advantages and new functions will come with next major releases. Various IPB3 admins say they will wait with upgrading until IPS4 is more mature and has more functions. Reception of IPS4 is very mixed.
70% of people choosing XenForo over IPS still leaves 30% of that sample choosing IPS that VaultWiki is currently unable to cater to. Of course there will always be fluctuations back and forth among all 3, and what we want to try to eliminate is this "I don't want to invest in a paid add-on for one platform because I might switch to a different platform in the future" which is a problem for many add-ons.
And with vBulletin themselves losing customers we have felt it on our end. With customers losing faith in vBulletin, we likewise lose some vBulletin customers by extension. vBulletin management has also not helped the add-on market by forbidding the use of the term "vBulletin" in Google ad campaigns.
Thus it is really in our best interest to diversify. According to recent cookie-search info, IPS still holds 10-12% of the market, which can effectively mean 10-12% in growth for us over time, just by increasing VaultWiki's compatibility. And with customers jumping from vBulletin, and 30% of those going to IPS, this number will grow.
Are you saying that we should consider supporting IPS3 first or as well? Or are you saying that we should take a wait-and-see approach? There is usually a crucial timing when it comes to lining up releases like this.
Actually, that is incorrect. While 70% goes from vb to XenForo. Only 4.5% goes from vb to IPS. 5% goes from xf to IPS. So a total of ~10% is towards IPS. A total of 14% is away from IPS, so IPS marketshare is shrinking.Quote:
70% of people choosing XenForo over IPS still leaves 30% of that sample choosing IPS that VaultWiki is currently unable to cater to.
Besides the 70% from vb to XF, there is also 14.5% going from IPS to XF. So of all migrations almost 85% are towards XF.
The rest of the migrations are towards vb. Though obviously those migrations are not permanent.
This does not mean that IPS is not an interesting market. I do think VaultWiki should add support for IPS4. Its good for VW and all customers if there are more people using VW and more license sales funds are coming in. I also think that you should consider other platforms in time. It is not unlikely that other platforms will overtake IPS in the coming year. Once Shawn is back to update his cookie tracker with other forum platforms the data will likely reveal a significant pattern in this respect. Shawn will be back next month.
I added the above information to put things into perspective again. Because these new facts about vbulletin mean that the exodus from vb to xf is likely to strongly increase. XF already has reached 2.5 times the marketshare that IPS has. Before you can add support for IPS4 Gold then XF will have reached 3 times the size of XF. I dont think its a good idea to support IPS3. I suggest to evaluate the situation after IPS4 goes gold and if IPS is still looking good to plan for IPS4 support. In your evaluation also consider the importance of adding those things to the core that will make VW4 feature set and stability much more attractive to XF customers.
I see there are a lot of things planned that will make VW4 very attractive & compelling. I think that the realization of those functions will make a world of difference. Currently the decision of whether or not to upgrade from vw3 to vw4 can go either way because there are things to say for staying on vw3 for a while and also for upgrading. When the planned functions are realized then it will be a no brainer to upgrade to VW4.
And this persuasive difference will translate directly into XF and vb sales, because the same reasons why someone upgrades are also the reasons why someone purchases.
With phpBB now having an actual plugin system (with 3.1 Ascraeus), this is somewhere else we are considering to expand. While it is not a paid forum software, the sheer number of installations (GoDaddy claims over 2 million) suggests that even a small percentage such as 0.1% could be significant for us.
Unfortunately Shawn's cookie tracker, which has been a go-to statistic for many other things, has not really tracked phpBB or other free forums so it's been hard to verify claims like this.
If there have been other or new commercial forums making waves recently, I may have missed something, so please let me know. Would be nice to start doing research now while we are still planning what to do in 4.1.
There are alternatives to Shawns tracker but the stats from those are to be taken lightly. According to those Burning Board seems to be gaining significant traction fast and eating up IPS. Vanilla is very unclear. MyBB seems to be doing good as well. phpbb indeed has many installations.
Mind that in Shawns tracker the 100% marketshare is divided between vb, xf and ips. Is you add other platforms to the equation then all percentages naturally drop.
Invision's 12%, xenforo's 28% and vb's 60% marketshare are in reality a much lower.
I find this one hard to believe: http://trends.builtwith.com/cms/forum-software
There is no way vBulletin has almost 2x the installations of phpBB.
Indeed. Builtwith is not reliable, but more something to use for hints.
Everbody has his favourite Software - alfa1 loves XF .. I can not wait to get vw4 for ips ;)
I had long Time vb but the way an vb5 is horrible for me
I have my current site in ips and stopped with vb ... Unfortunatley vw4 is for me offline too ;(
I can understand where you are coming from. I have a full IPS3 suite and was the one who suggested IPS3 support. In fact at least half a dozen of the IPS votes in this poll come from admins that I sent here to vote. (most of them are now on xf btw) IPS3 is very good software.
I was hoping that IPS4 would be a major improvement over IPB3 and was open to the idea of switching to IPS. Unfortunately I find IPS4 to be not much better than vb5. I expect that it will take IPS at least 6 months before people can upgrade to IPS4 without killing their sites activity. We have seen how this goes with vb5. People try it. See their site dying. Then quickly move away to another platform or back to their old version.
It doesn't make sense to add support for IPS4 before admins are using it. Unfortunately it also doesn't make sense to add support for IPB3 when a new major version is around the corner. So there is a catch22 situation.
Mind that this situation is a result of IPS taking 2 years between their announcement of IPS4 and actually showing something. If they would have continued development of IPB3 and only mentioned the upcoming IPS4 a few months ago then there would likely have been a Vaultwiki for IPS3.
Hi,Sorry, I don't want to start a forum software discussion or be rude in anyway but this sound for me more like a bad joke than a serious comparison. So be it as alpha stated everybody has his/her favorite software and I'm personally not able to follow the XF hype. The time will show how it comes and I wait already very much tensely for the XF2 version and I guarantee that there will be also people who will predict the going down of XF. :)
Also I have a different opinion at the look of a version for IPS4. Maybe waiting to long will IPS customers force to use the limited wiki functions of IP.Pages or integrate Mediawiki&Co. to their website. So I think it's better to have a version for IPS4 as early as possible.
Greetings
Storyteller
Vw4 would be a great addon for ips, because there is nothing similar - XF is nice but for me to much old fashion forum style ... Who loves this it will be the perfect solution
Tutorials app is nice but it is far away from a wiki or for similar use
IPS wiki function is not comparable to VW. Its no competition. I agree about mediawiki though.Quote:
Originally Posted by storyteller
IPS is obviously the solution for you. I am not saying that you should hop on the XF bandwagon. Regarding the style of XF: its easily replaced for something modern.Quote:
Originally Posted by alpha
The fundraising campaign for VaultWiki 4 on IPS has just launched: http://igg.me/p/vaultwiki-for-invisi...hpbb/x/9206010