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On the topic of IPB: IPS4 is coming soon and is a total rewrite. Any development time you put into IPS compatibility now, is likely for nothing, because everything will break once IPS4 is out.
http://community.invisionpower.com/f...cial-suite-40/
Better wait until the beta is out first.
I absolutely don't agree but that's incidental. Now VaultWiki Gamma 1 is out and still nothing to see from a IPB version. So the simple question is, is the IPB version something like nearly ready or not? If still not maybe the point of view from Alfa1
is however the correct consideration.
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Yeah, IPS has been working on IPS4 for a year now. They planned to release it at the end of last month or beginning of this month. The blogs about IPS4 have been ramping up to multiple blogs a week. So it seems IPS4 beta release is imminent.
I would much like VW4 to be available for IPS4, though it seems illogical to make VW4 ready for IPS3 (which will take many months) while IPS4 is likely released well before VW4 can be ready for IPS3.
Well, we will see when IPS4 comes really out. :cool: I would really like to read some generally words from Pegasus to the future of a VaultWiki version for IPB.
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I Need vaultwiki for IPS ... Hopefully there will be something soon
Vbulletin performance is horrible ...
When IPS Support ?
Isn't it a waste of time to support IPS3 when IPS4 is imminent?
Consider that Vaultwiki 4 is not even stable for vbulletin yet.
We are eagerly awaiting the release of IPS4. But I wonder, is it worth NOT supporting IPS3. I mean, look how long vB3 stayed relevant after vB4 was out (granted, there was a significant price jump between those versions, and it seems vB5 will never be relevant). We STILL have pre-customers asking us 5 years later if vB3 is supported.
We don't have a comparable (major point) release for XenForo to compare.
Especially with IPS only being a 6 month subscription (it's likely there are more expired licenses than a 1 year subscription at the same fees), I wonder how much of the market really would upgrade so quickly. It is a breaking upgrade after all. Unlike vB 3.6 -> 3.8 or XF 1.1 -> 1.3, all add-ons and styles will break with the upgrade.
I do not think that is a valid comparison. vb4 came with significant issues and was released with thousands of bugs, of which hundreds will never be fixed. Its debatable if vb4 is a real upgrade from vb3. Many webmasters find no compelling reason to move to vb4. Therefore there has been a low adoption rate of vb4. vb5 has the same issues, but much much worse.
IPB 3.4 also broke many addons / styles. As did several 3.x releases. But as IPS offers most major addons themselves, its not a major issue. IPS4 will not just be an update. It is a rewrite. A new system. In other words supporting IPS 3 and 4 means supporting 2 different systems.
IPS normally delivers quality releases and IPS customers quickly adopt to the latest version. Just like XenForo customers do. See this overview:
https://tools.digitalpoint.com/cookie-search
Scroll to the bottom.
- IPS: 89% is using the latest version. (3.4 released last year) Only 3% is running IPB3.0.
- XF: 11% is using the latest version, as it has just been released. The previous version has 63% adoption. Experience shows that these customers will quickly move to the latest version.
- vb: 0% is using the latest version. (5.1) 1.1% is using vb5.0 which was released 1.5 years ago.
Tick the 'show historical charts' button for a good overview of behavior in time. Its pretty clear how IPS customers quickly adopt the latest version. Exactly because of the quality and the 6 month renewal.
Based on the above you can expect that IPS customers will quickly adopt IPS4 and that within a year or so around 90% will be running that version.
Thank you for that breakdown, and the link to the cookie search. You have been very helpful.
I just wanted to mention, since I found it amusing... that I was searching Google looking for other discussions of IPS adoption rates to see if there might be more of an "official word" on this question, when I clicked on one of the top-ranked results and just ended up back on this page.
Yes, that accurately describes the how well IPS SEO works.
IPS4 alpha is here:
http://zend.ipsdevserver.com/ips4/to...th-version-40/
Looking forward that an vault Wiki for IPS will Start :)
Nice, IPS4 looking imminent (source: http://zend.ipsdevserver.com/ips4/to...ecent-updates/):
Quote:
some people have access to a pre-release copy of IPS4. More of you will very soon
I hope that there will be something for IPS & vault Wiki ;)))
I'm pretty sure that there will be Vaultwiki for IPS4. First IPS4 will need to be stable. It seems there is still a lot of fixing and development going on with IPS4. I am hearing about public beta release coming so that is good.
In general the feedback of IPS4 is not always positive, and it seems that IPS is adjusting the software to the feedback. So its unclear when the beta is to be expected.
Its an important release for IPS, because not only vbulletin is loosing its customers to xenforo, but IPS is also substantially leaking customers to xenforo. While IPS is gaining a significant number of customers from vbulletin, they are loosing around the same amount to XenForo. XF already has gained twice as much customers than IPS and this trend is continuing. See the cookie search: https://tools.digitalpoint.com/cookie-search
If IPS4 disappoints the IPS license holders then that will probably result in a further drop in marketshare for IPS.
I know you are a big Fan of xf - for me is it no Option ... Its to much forum for me
When vault Wiki will be ready for IPS then i have a Great community on IPS basis ... But first i Need all apps updated before ips 4 is interessting for me - im missing vw ;) but vb is to must waste in the meantime to lose time with it unfortunatley
Actually IIRC I was the first one who requested VW for IPS. 6 of the people who voted for IPS in this poll were rallied up by me: https://www.vaultwiki.org/polls/38/
And I still think its a good idea for VW to support multiple platforms. Including IPS and if Burning Board gains momentum then maybe that too. Because I want many sites to run VW, so that bugs get discovered faster, license sales allow for more developers and the platform will become richer.
At the same time I hope for a stable VW4.0 release which allows me to migrate my VW3 to VW4 without issues.
Adding IPS support while VW is in RC status practically means going back to alpha or beta stage, which would be a major setback. I think its best to bring VW4 to gold and then right after that implement IPS4 support in VW4.1.