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    Issue: showthread.php not redirected

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    1. issueid=5230 September 15, 2017 12:07 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
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      showthread.php not redirected

      Links to VW3 threads are not redirected to VW4.
      In VW3 there were 2 links to a VW page:
      /showthread.php?t=36993#Reputation_System_Information
      /showwiki.php?title=Reputation#Reputation_System_Informati on
      Both formats are used a lot.

      VW4 correctly redirects the second link, but not the first link. So this means a lot of dead links and bad SEO.
      As XenForo already has vb3 thread URL redirection it is a bit complex to address but can still be done.
    Issue Details
    Issue Number 5230
    Issue Type Bug
    Project VaultWiki 4.x Series
    Category Importing
    Status Not a Bug
    Priority 3 - Loss of Functionality
    Affected Version 4.0.19
    Fixed Version (none)
    Milestone (none)
    Software DependencyXenForo 1.x
    License TypePaid
    Users able to reproduce bug 0
    Users unable to reproduce bug 0
    Attachments 0
    Assigned Users (none)
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    1. September 15, 2017 2:49 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      You asked this question already: https://www.vaultwiki.org/issues/4271/

      The showthread.php links do not originate from VaultWiki 3, and it was impossible to find a showthread.php wiki link to copy and paste in a default installation of VaultWiki 3. showthread.php links were used by a different product called NuWiki which has been defunct for almost 10 years; it is likely the original links pointed there. Since permanent redirects must only be maintained for 6 months, any old NuWiki links should have been updated by now. This is not a bug.
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    2. January 3, 2018 12:07 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
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      You can find a showthread.php link in VW3. We did this all the time and I can still replicate this.
      It was needed for us to use the showthread link instead of the showwiki link to circumvent an issue in VW3. This is why we have many thousands of showthread.php links in our wiki. Those are dated from after nuwiki.

      This is how to get the showthread link in VW3:
      1. on wiki comments go to showpost.php through a post ID link.
      2. click on the article name at the top right to go to showthread.php?p=x

      The print page function does expose the threadID but we used a different method than that.

      There was also another function that exposed showthread.php?t=x#wikiname
      My memory is not as good as it was, so I cant recall it ATM. it took me a while to remember the above.
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    3. January 3, 2018 3:59 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      Since all the import IDs should be maintained on your VW4 installation (provided that the import was direct VW3 => VW4 and not VW3 => VW4 => VW4 -- I don't recall), I think I can generate a solution for this fairly quickly. I will try to get it on your site tomorrow.
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    4. January 4, 2018 3:56 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      I added support to redirect:
      - showthread.php?t=X
      - showthread.php?p=X (given X was a reply and not the wiki-post; the wiki-post X was not maintained by the import)
      - forumdisplay.php?f=X
      - showpost.php?p=X

      However, I don't know any broken links in this format to try. The example at the top of this page actually goes to an existing thread.
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    5. January 4, 2018 4:13 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
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      Thats because I did not delete the wiki forums yet. So all VW3 threads are still there.
      Would hard deleting these forums and all threads in it work?
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    6. January 4, 2018 4:19 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      If all the threads are still there (and if you maintained IDs in XenForo), I can copy the post IDs that the wiki-import didn't maintain, so that some redirect variations will still work. Please don't remove the old wiki forums until I have a chance to do this.
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    7. January 4, 2018 5:28 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
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      Yes, I retained IDs.
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    8. January 5, 2018 1:56 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      Okay, I have generated the first_post->thread->wiki map for your site. It should be safe to remove the old forums, but keep a backup lying around in case we discover I need to copy something else.
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    9. January 7, 2018 3:04 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
      Distinguished Member
      Thank you!
      I am wondering about deleting the old forums in regards to attachments. My members have re-used a lot of attachment links. It seems to me that deleting these forums will break the attachment links. Is this correct?
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    10. January 8, 2018 11:13 AM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      I have reviewed your database and it looks like this information regarding attachments has already expired and is gone. In SEO, six months is supposed to be the "acceptable" amount of time to support old links, so that people can update the old links. After that time, VaultWiki cleans up data that is not being used (the original IDs still existed, so it was not used).

      This means that attachment.php style links, pointing to attachments in wiki pages, will no longer work on your site (the redirection for that expired already) once the original forums are removed. I might be able to regenerate this information from the forums before you delete them. I will let you know shortly.

      ---
      In the next release, the importer no longer uses expiring 301s for mapping IDs of imported content (although some alternate URLs for some content, specifically imported islands, will still use them). Instead, it relies solely on the vw_import log for ID mapping, and relies on the admin to choose when to manually shut-off the redirection.
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    11. January 8, 2018 12:00 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      Okay, I have recovered 421 ID mappings for attachments. Unless you can think of something else, it should be safe to remove the old forums now.
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    12. January 8, 2018 12:55 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
      Distinguished Member
      Quote Originally Posted by pegasus
      In SEO, six months is supposed to be the "acceptable" amount of time to support old links, so that people can update the old links.
      For people to update old links, they first need to be alerted that old links exist and what the new links are. Once that is known I can ask my members to start updating those links. Else the old links will exist indefinitely.

      Quote Originally Posted by pegasus
      After that time, VaultWiki cleans up data that is not being used (the original IDs still existed, so it was not used).
      What do you mean that if the original ID still existed, it was not used?
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    13. January 8, 2018 12:56 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
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      Quote Originally Posted by pegasus
      Okay, I have recovered 421 ID mappings for attachments. Unless you can think of something else, it should be safe to remove the old forums now.
      Thank you!
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