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    Issue: Vaultwiki4 functionality discussion & suggestions

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    1. issueid=2882 October 24, 2012 9:01 AM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
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      Vaultwiki4 functionality discussion & suggestions

      I would like to use this thread to discuss VW functionality and how to improve it.

      #1) Above wiki's there is this bar, which might seem logical for a coder, but will surely confuse the average user:

      Attachment 1304
      'Use these controls to inject wiki content on this page'

      Functions should be very clear in what its for and users should do.

      The whole point of using Vaultwiki instead of mediawiki is that mediawiki needs users to understand all kinds of difficult code and functions, while Vaultwiki can be used by users who understand forum functionality.

      #2) When browsing through the categories, I am easily lost and it looks like there are no categories, while there are.
      Looking at a category, there is a lack of overview. While a category should provide just that.
      Layout should be improved to provide better overview of categories.

      Attachment 1305
      A user has many buttons & functions to:
      - edit the category
      - add content
      - post a new discussion
      - post a comment
      - post a comment through the inline editor

      There is a lack of intuitiveness here. Its not crystal clear what each function means or what a user should do. The average user will abort in confusion.

      #3) 'add content' can mean 'add wiki content', or 'add comment/discussion', so at first sight it seems the same as the other button. Mind that the average user will not look any further than 'at first sight'.
      the difference between a discussion and a comment is not made clear. When you click on that button the user is presented with confusing functions. I can't make sense of any of the select a page function. The hovering window makes it more confusing.

      Its unclear how to 'add a wiki article to this category'.

      #4) Why is a 'add comment' button needed when there is already a large editor there? Its pretty obvious that the user can comment there.

      I also think that its needed to make clear that an empty article needs content. Unfortunately I am unable to create an example for you, but here is a category that already exists:
      Attachment 1306

      #5) Currently an empty article with just a title looks as if its good like it is and does not need content.
      A user should be motivated to add to a wiki.
      The above article is basically a dead end. The user can do two things: use the drop down functions or leave the site. The page offers no guidance about what to do.

      #6) The options in the 'view' drop down are confusing. There is 'list' and 'source'. List of what? What does source mean? How is the user supposed to know this? Or how are you going to inform the user what it means and what to do?

      The 'options' tab is equally confusing, as the drop down offers functions without accurately describing what those functions are exactly. Only when trying out these functions it becomes evident. But users will leave the site long before they find out.

      How about changing:
      'book' into 'add to book' (move this to the bottom, because its still unclear what a book is)
      'group' into a description that explains what this does.
      'translate' into 'post translated article'
      'synonyms' into 'post synonyms' (This function does not work atm, so I am not 100% sure if my suggestion is correct)
      'watch' into 'follow' or 'subscribe'

      All in all I think that with the design of these pages and functions there should be some serious consideration about:
      - how can you provide the optimal overview for users?
      - how can you stimulate engagement?
      - how can you avoid confusion and add more K.I.S.S. ?
    Issue Details
    Issue Number 2882
    Issue Type Bug
    Project VaultWiki 3.x Series
    Category Wiki Pages
    Status Fixed
    Priority 3 - Loss of Functionality
    Affected Version 4.0.0 Alpha 1
    Fixed Version (none)
    Milestone VaultWiki 4.0.0 Alpha 1
    Software DependencyAny
    Users able to reproduce bug 0
    Users unable to reproduce bug 0
    Attachments 3
    Assigned Users (none)
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    1. October 24, 2012 10:26 AM
      InformationNirvana InformationNirvana is offline
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      Thanks for your post Alfa1. I want a good wiki so bad !
      So far, vaultwiki 4 confused me ! I'll admit I didn't take alot of time with it. But I was hoping vW 4 was going to be *easy*.
      Maybe I want something that isn't possible.
      /confused.

      BBL ... Work !

      Maybe I need to wait til the Xenforo version is available. And test it on my own server.
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    2. October 24, 2012 4:52 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      I've moved this thread into the tracker and enumerated your concerns so that they can be addressed more directly.

      Many of these issues can easily be corrected by rewriting some of the phrases so that they are more descriptive and/or by adding additional phrases that are more page-type dependent and go into more detail in certain places. A lot of components that make up a page are created using generic factories - by adding parameters to specify less generic phrases, we can avoid some confusion.
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    3. October 25, 2012 8:05 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
      Distinguished Member
      I appreciate that you want to take action on my suggestions, but I think its equally important to have a discussion with Vaultwiki alpha testers about the intuitiveness of VW4 and how it can be improved. Such brainstorming may yield useful ideas and improvements.

      The trackers i not very visible.

      Would it be an idea to invite other alpha testers to this discussion?
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    4. November 25, 2012 1:49 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      #1) Should be fixed, as we now explain what the box is for and what the 'Manage' control will allow you to do. Other pop-ups and similar forms should also have explanations now.

      #4) The "Post New Comment" button below the comments list will no longer appear if the user can already see the quick comment form.

      #5) The default text was missing for some wiki page types that were created with an empty editor input. This was a bug and the appropriate phrase has now been added. I'm not sure what the problem was with the "dog2" page specifically, since I can no longer reproduce the issue pictured. If you locate another page that has the same issue, please report it.

      For regular pages that wouldn't have a directory list or anything else anyway, there is also a recommendation to use the browser's back button to return to the previous page.

      For users who can edit such pages, there is a suggestion to edit the page and add less generic text.

      ----
      Still working on the others...
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    5. November 27, 2012 6:56 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      #2) The default text for empty pages (pages where the user didn't type anything in the editor) is now more specific to the type of page and talks about what that means for the page. i.e. a book contains chapters, a category is a directory list, etc. If the user has permission to edit the page, they are invited to replace the default text. This relates to #5 as well.

      #3) The "Add Content" button has been updated with a different phrase depending on the kind of parent-node you're viewing. Areas, the large containers in the wiki, should say "Create New". Books should say "Add Chapter". Categories should say "Add Listing".

      Discussions and comments are the names of very different content types that users should be able to recognize from other social media sites like Facebook (Facebook has a wall, where you can post comments, and also has the ability to open "discussions" that are completely separate from the wall). The "Post New Discussion" button now says "Start New Discussion". Hopefully this should reduce the confusion created by both buttons having the left-most word as "Post" for those who are clicking through quickly expecting one or the other. The word "Start" should also imply that you will be the first poster and that whatever you have to say won't be related to a previous comment.

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      Still working on #6...
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    6. December 1, 2012 7:12 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      #6) The idea was to use as simple and visibly short verbiage as possible in the menus to conserve horizontal space. However, I can see how this might be confusing, even though many of the menu options are exactly the same as in VaultWiki 3 (some just under drop-downs). To compromise for the horizontal space issue, there should be two phrases for each tab item: one descriptive for the drop-down menu, and one short-form if selected or if the only item in the menu.

      Since all items in the OP have been addressed, I am closing this issue. If you have further suggestions, please don't hesitate to open a new request for each one.
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