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    • Bug or intended? Breadcrumb and Content List for Books

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    Issue: Bug or intended? Breadcrumb and Content List for Books

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    1. issueid=5774 May 27, 2019 1:51 PM
      medic917 medic917 is offline
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      Bug or intended? Breadcrumb and Content List for Books

      Hello,
      If I'm not mistaken, currently, we are only able to get a hierarchy of subpages in a table of contents if we create a hierarchy of books and chapters.
      For example:
      Book 1 (Book)
      --Chapter 1 (Chapter)
      ----Section 1 (Page)

      This shows this layout in the table of contents, which is nice.

      [Issue 1]
      However, the breadcrumbs don't show full pathway of this hierarchy when viewing Section 1 page for example. It just shows:
      Home > Wiki (Area) > Books (sub Area) > Algebra 1 (Book)
      instead of:
      Home > Wiki > Books (sub Area) > Algebra 1 (Book) > Chapter 1 (Chapter)

      This is a frustrating user experience and I would rather remove the breadcrumb at this point (which I don't know how to).

      [Issue 2]
      The area where it lists pages in books also displays all book types which can be frustrating. Even if I filter it to show only books (not pages or categories for example), due to it showing anything related to books, it shows too much. I just want it to show books.

      Is there any way we can limit it to show books without chapters and subpages?

      I have the setting shown below.



      Hope issue 1 and 2 can be resolved somehow

      If not, any way we can have the option to hide breadcrumbs or "Pages in Books" listing? This way I can just manually add my own without these confusing layout being an eyesore.
    Issue Details
    Issue Number 5774
    Issue Type Feature
    Project VaultWiki 4.x Series
    Category Unknown
    Status Accepted
    Priority 4 - Warnings / Script Errors
    Suggested Version 4.1.0 Beta 1
    Implemented Version (none)
    Milestone (none)
    Software DependencyAny
    License TypePaid
    Votes for this feature 0
    Votes against this feature 0
    Attachments 0
    Assigned Users (none)
    Tags xenforo




    1. May 27, 2019 2:52 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      Issue 1:
      This will also be a problem if you put the page into categories, or feeds, etc. Since the page can have multiple containers at the same time, there will always be the possibility of the breadcrumbs not making sense. Really the best we can do here is create an option to choose which breadcrumbs are used for each page, as a page-level setting.

      This is accepted as a feature request.

      Issue 2:
      Since you are having a problem of chapters appearing while the content list is filtered to Books only, make sure that you have not classified your chapters as Books too (Edit tab > Treat this page as). There are known bugs in beta with certain filters, but Books is not one of them.

      Chapters don't need to be treated as books, unless you want to give them chapters too. In this case, the expected behavior is for the area to list everything that has been classed as a book. An area is just a generic box that contains content. It will not respect the book hierarchy -- that is what books do.

      Since wiki content can have a number of classifications at the same time, filtering by one type does not rule out other types of content, but it shows us content that at least has the selected type. In order to achieve what you ask, a separate NOT filter would need to be added. In that case, you could choose to show only: Books, and also to not show: Chapters. This would net you high-level books. However, there would be no combination that shows mid-level books without high-level books.

      The usefulness of such a feature would be limited. And it would open to the possibility, what if we want to show only: Books that are also Categories, or Show either: Books or Categories. Now we need another option for these, with its own, equally limited cases. By the way, it solves mid-level books without high-level books. (Show only: Books, That are also: Chapters).

      The ability to select "That are Also" and "Do Not Show" filters are accepted as a feature request. Show Either requires too much work for certain fringe cases, and will not be handled at this time.

      In the mean time, if you need nested books before these filters are added, and want to only show your high-level books in a content list, then you need to use a different strategy. Examples:
      A) Use a Category instead, and only list the books you want in it. Link to the category in your area or index text, or only make the category area visible on the index.
      B) Sort your area by Title, and make sure all titles in the same book start with the same letter/number. e.g. 123 Main Book > 123 Volume > 123 Chapter.
      C) Move sub-books to another area (e.g. Books > Volumes > Chapters). Now your Books area will only contain the books you want.

      You can already hide the contents of specific areas via permissions. So for usergroups who may not need to moderate the book area, you can turn off "Can view the list of area contents?" In the Area Manager, click the "Permissions" link for your Books area.
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    2. May 27, 2019 11:22 PM
      medic917 medic917 is offline
      Junior Member
      Hi Pegasus,
      The problem with not listing chapters as books is that I need the Table of Contents to show as shown below:

      Once I make a chapter into a non-book, I can't assign another layer in the table of contents (so in this case "1.1 Section 1: Title of Section 1" would not be listed).

      As for your strategies, what is the difference between a "NOT filter" and a "Do Not Show" filter? Won't they both allow me to not show chapters that are also books?

      I'll also hide the content listing via permissions for now

      Issue 1:
      As for issue 1,
      Really the best we can do here is create an option to choose which breadcrumbs are used for each page, as a page-level setting.
      can you show me an example? I don't know what a page level setting is and what you mean by "choose which crumbs to use for each page."

      Thanks for the help. This wiki's book feature has a lot of potential.
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    3. May 28, 2019 12:49 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      "NOT filter" and "Do Not Show" filter are used interchangeably in my previous post. They refer to the same thing.

      A page-level setting would be a value you can set for each page separately, either on the Edit tab, or some other tab with like settings. When I say "choose with crumbs to use", I mean that because a page can have multiple parents (Area, Book, Category (and multiple ones!), Feeds (and multiple ones!), etc), to automatically have a breadcrumb path from any of these presents the same problem you are already trying to solve.

      Currently the breadcrumbs are:
      Wiki > Area path > Page

      But you wish:
      Wiki > Area path to Major Book > Book path > Page

      It is also possible that the same page could have other parents like a Category:
      Wiki > Area path to Category > Page

      Which breadcrumbs should be used? Let the people writing the page decide.

      Inherit breadcrumbs from which parent?
      o Area Name
      o Book Name
      o Category Name
      o etc

      Probably needs to use a page chooser because there could be thousands of parents.
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    4. May 29, 2019 12:42 AM
      medic917 medic917 is offline
      Junior Member
      Ah I see, so the writer will have more flexibility with breadcrumb. That makes sense and would be a great feature!
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