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    Issue: Google refuses VW Feedpages

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    1. issueid=5449 August 21, 2018 3:17 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
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      Google refuses VW Feedpages

      This is not a bug, but a SEO issue.

      Google is taking offence with Vaultwiki feed pages. Its marked as 'Crawled - currently not indexed'. Most likely because its thin dead static RSS pages.

      /wiki/article_name?do=feed
      In these cases it lists one article without hotlink. Its a dead end page.

      /wiki/Category:category_name?do=feed
      This often displays multiple links, but its often still dead. Feeds need to be active. Google lists the ones that are old as problematic.
      There is also an issue with the first headline from the last article displaying on the feed page.

      What is needed here is to not submit such pages to google and noindex these if there is no recent content.

      Additionally it would be really great to turn feeds off globally. I cant find it in the admincp while it must be in there.xenforo admincp search returns nothing.
    Issue Details
    Issue Number 5449
    Issue Type Bug
    Project VaultWiki 4.x Series
    Category Search Engine Optimization
    Status Fixed
    Priority 5 - Minor Bugs / Small Tweaks
    Affected Version 4.0.23
    Fixed Version 4.0.24
    Milestone (none)
    Software DependencyXenForo 1.x
    License TypePaid
    Users able to reproduce bug 0
    Users unable to reproduce bug 0
    Attachments 0
    Assigned Users (none)
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    1. August 21, 2018 3:44 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      These are not submitted to Google. Google finds them naturally while crawling. If Google is deciding not to index them when it finds them, then that is functionally the same as adding noindex to them. So this is a non-issue.

      On the other hand, if there are RSS feeds generated by the wiki which are broken in some way, we can take care of this.

      Regular wiki pages don't link to an RSS version of themselves. Only wiki nodes which can contain other wiki pages (such as categories or books).

      Of course a wiki node that does not contain any pages yet will not list any entries in the RSS feed (only its own metadata). This is the desired behavior. You would want users to be able to subscribe to the RSS feed so they get notified when the first entry is added.

      Quote Originally Posted by Alfa1
      There is also an issue with the first headline from the last article displaying on the feed page.
      I don't know what you mean by this and you have not linked to an RSS feed that has this problem.

      You would disable RSS in Home > Options > VaultWiki: Notifications > Enable External Feeds?
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    2. August 21, 2018 4:18 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
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      'crawled - not currently indexed' is not a neutral rating of content. It means that Google finds the content unfit to be in its indexed. i.e. there is something wrong with it. This does not just affect the page, but also the site. Therefore IMHO this should be avoided.

      In regards to broken feeds, I have sent you examples.

      I do think that external feeds are very useful as long as there is content and also recent content.
      I dont think a feed should be exposed for something that has 1 entry from 2006.
      I do not want to have RSS feeds exposed for things that will never result in content.
      I dont want to provide feeds for exotic categories. But I do want to provide feeds for area's, categories with a lot of entries, global. Because that makes sense. I want to only provide useful feeds. For everything else we already have PUSH, email, alerts if they watch the content.

      Please consider if settings can be added so that we can tweak it to our liking.
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    3. August 21, 2018 4:19 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
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      Quote Originally Posted by pegasus
      You would disable RSS in Home > Options > VaultWiki: Notifications > Enable External Feeds?
      This is not found thro0ugh xenforo search. Is this a bug?
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    4. August 21, 2018 4:27 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      For some reason it only appears in XenForo search when searching "feeds" but not "external" or "rss". This would not be a VaultWiki bug.

      We will consider some tweaks to RSS and possibly more settings.
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    5. August 21, 2018 8:43 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
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      If I checkout Bing webmaster tools it gets even weirder. Bing is adding the VW RSS feeds as sitemaps automatically. I literally have hundreds of feeds there. Most have 0 or 1 URL in them. It cant be good to have sitemaps littered with 0 URL feeds. Not sure if this is something that VW can do anything about though.
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    6. August 22, 2018 11:05 AM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      Realistically, VaultWiki can mark RSS with 0 URLs as "noindex" and RSS with no updates in a very long time as "archives". Right now there is a consistency problem where RSS feeds are not marked "noindex" even though the content they are about is already "noindex".

      Marking this as Fixed in the next release. In 4.0.24, VaultWiki will add an X-Robots-Tag to RSS feeds, containing "noindex" when it has no contents, or if there are no new contents within 1 year. In the scope where the RSS feed is listed on a page, the reference to the RSS feed will try to estimate whether the final feed would be "noindex" and mark the link to it as "noindex" as well.
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