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    Issue: Attachment Pages tank SEO: hide these from guests

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    1. issueid=5452 August 21, 2018 4:04 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
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      Attachment Pages tank SEO: hide these from guests

      I don't think attachment pages should be shown to Google or guests.
      These are very thin pages by definition, with duplicate content. It always has the same text.
      There are almost no file updates or edits.
      There is almost always just 1 page using the file which means the tab with 'pages using this file' links to the same page.
      No tags.
      And most problematic of all: there are way more of these low ranking attachment pages than high ranking pages. So even though we have great value content in Vaultwiki, its snowed under by low quality pages.

      This is all very bad for SEO.
    Issue Details
    Issue Number 5452
    Issue Type Feature
    Project VaultWiki 4.x Series
    Category Search Engine Optimization
    Status Public Release
    Priority 7 - Minor Features / Enhancements
    Suggested Version 4.0.23
    Implemented Version (none)
    Milestone (none)
    Software DependencyXenForo 1.x
    License TypePaid
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    1. August 21, 2018 4:19 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      Attachment pages that contain only the file are already noindex, so it doesn't make sense to me why Google would bother with them. Maybe the attachment pages in question actually have some content? In that case, the problematic pages should be edited to remove the content so that they become "noindex" again, or the content should be improved.
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    2. August 21, 2018 5:28 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
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      The assumption you make is that pages that are not indexed have no bearing on pages that are indexed. I am doubtful this assumption is correct. The pages are not indexed due to the noindex tag, but Google clearly crawls and evaluates these and now flags up problems with attachment pages.

      This makes sense because Google wants to rank quality pages and good sites. Even if a page is not indexed, it still matters to the usability of related pages.

      I think that you are correct when it comes to singular pages which are not indexed. However, when you have a mass of problematic pages with clear duplicate content, thin content and links to itself it is likely to differ. If those problematic pages are hotlinked from article pages, then it seems very logical that this can negatively affect the ranking of the articles. In fact, I used to apply exactly the opposite method to give pages a high/top ranking by stuffing them with links to loads of relevant content. (and which is exactly what should make a wiki so good for SEO)

      Basically these are dead end pages. Lets say an article has 20 attachments. So the article has 20 links to dead end pages. While the dead end pages are not indexed, there is an issue: if a user clicks on such link, then they no longer have a path back to the article. They can only see the attachment, click on links to the same page (circular links) or click on history links without content.

      We can hide this by disabling viewing permission for guests (which I did), but now we have malfunctioning thumbnails. Which also affects the article ranking negatively. It seems to me that the best would be to have a permission for thumbs in articles, so that we can hide attachment pages without malfunctioning thumbnails.
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    3. August 22, 2018 12:54 PM
      pegasus pegasus is offline
      VaultWiki Team
      I've found that a nofollow tag was missing from one of the two links that point to the attachment-page, on attachments included by the FILE tag. This is probably the source of the page-rank leak to attachment-pages, and the fix should prevent rank from leaking in this way in the future. This change has been applied to your site and will be included in the next release.

      The best way we could improve the UX for guests would be to implement a lightbox to show the image info in an overlay when clicked, rather than going to a separate page. This is already the basis of another feature request, so will not be addressed here.
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    4. August 22, 2018 3:07 PM
      Alfa1 Alfa1 is offline
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      Yes, loosing the attachment pages would be a major step in the right direction.

      Thank you for applying the fix.
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